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Language of Wisdom ~ Meetings

These

Language of Wisdom ~ Meetings⁠

were held from February to April 2024.

Then there was a bifurcation into

Knowledge Engineering ~ Meetings⁠

with KU and

Knowledge Math ~ Meetings⁠

with AK.

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Language of Wisdom ~ Meetings

Language of Wisdom ~ Meetings

Type

Date

Link

Notes

Language of Wisdom

2/20/2024

2/27/2024

3/5/2024

3/12/2024

3/19/2024

3/26/2024

4/2/2024

4/9/2024

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2/20/2024

Type

Language of Wisdom

Link

Notes

Steering, committees.

In recognizing/moving from 1:1 to higher-order coordinations.

Trade Offs, check-ins, statuses, roles/positions.

How can people feel like we are connecting, such that there are arisings?

Premise

With continued and inbounding interest.....

AK has a serious and meaningful onboarding with people. This has been quality and amazing.

And as there are other connections/routings, perhaps.

Surrounding with the first shell around. Who understand M4W & WW well enough to share, communicate, and spin. This interfaces and protects with overwhelm etc.

Spin, doctoring, communicating, in for the iterated ride, what are we looking for, how will/could this sort.

What is the ultimate goal for each of us?

How is this shared at individual

People⁠

and with collective?

Goal in shorter/broader — to keep in touch.

We want to understand each other’s goals, preferences, context, etc. — for the M4W and more.

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Synergetics⁠

and phases of matter..... 2 tet’s with 3 edges touching is solid bond, etc.

Mature thinkers have deepest values in life, relationships with truth/people, epistemology — these are anecdotal and to be tested/developed.

In what ways is this // can this be shown to be real?

What is/are the synergies in the group? Crystal, ship, other metaphors.

Ship & navigating (Cybernetics, steering). Joining and Leaving.

Periods of time and shifting/differential allocations.

How can we Qualitatively improve M4W?

How do you know who is genuine?

This can relate to

People⁠

, values, etc.

Communications, advertising, logo, etc.

e.g. the

YouTube⁠

channel. There is production, as well as the range of interests and attention of the channel.

It is open-minded and lots of topics coming in/through. This may help people think, I wouldn’t mind participating in this.

Keeping on doing what we are doing and seeing what comes of this.

Comings & M4W

M4W has succeeded in ways. And experiments with growing, outreach, working.

Critical path. And routes of finding (e.g. comments). These are the good contacts, people who have found.

Hence we can support each other, increase the visibility/discoverability of the works & contributions.

If you are into Higher Math..... no need to run away screaming :)

We are OK with it. We like it. The Higher the better. And WW is a sign that we acknowledge this.

And then there are further/woven personal, and psychological dynamics. That is personal practice, which is more intriguing.

Whereas 99.999% of math out there is not with the living wisdom angle.

Keep Math Weird.

M4W & Jere’s multiple timescales of wisdom.

Ecotechnology, and systems management. That is a real world where he can design systems that work.

AND yet developing technological solutions will not be appropriately addressing contemporary issues.

New way of thinking. Fuller: give them a tool, not teach them.

Hence — conceptual structure that integrates with real physical working systems.

That will illustrate a way of thinking that people can adopt. With a new formal-informal-etc way of working with nature.

JN is working to restart TimberFish and different tie-ins (e.g. consider holistic health and education elements).

And with the external control of wealth — separation and insulation of concerns, leading to risks/negatives/externalities.

There is connection back to M4W, as well as 🐜 and 🐝. It is a conscious interactive system of which JN is a part. How does it work across multiple scales of biological organization & complexity? Including e.g. cognitive systems & language elements.

And funneling support/attention to M4W without infringing. Too many big businesses and co-option away from the good.

JN has pioneered for many years and it is not over yet.

Oregon and living experimental communities.

Creating the eco-village. Balance. The answers are not known a priori.

Renaissance of the Whole Earth catalog. To an extent this happened (Drop City and elsewhere). Spontaneously emerging places.

That is where the sociology & community comes in......... with the Fish Tanks. And honey and embroidery.

For the full time stay, and the visitors. Advanced science and math ongoing. That’s interesting.

There is the anarcho-primitive version of reducing technologies. And also we can move forward.

A financial sustainability — and producing enough for the export and interacting info-physically with the rest of the world. And have that set up such that it cannot be captured from afar.

Everyone has a right to exist. And there is recognition of different contributions and recompensations.

Facilitating the arising and experimentation of these intentional communities. They will all go off in various ways, not all thriving.

Swamps: 🔥🐜, alligators, snakes.

What are the directions that we are interfacing with world & the bigger picture?

JN believes that he can develop and share a viable way for communities to be economically self-reliant, while changing the world for the better?

AK with the

Language⁠

for absolute

Relationship with Truth⁠

, and use of orientation. Supportive. They are dealing with one aspect/interface.

How to make the most of it? And to expand it?

Being willing to be selves, and allow others to be selves. Let’s meet up 1:1.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kirbyurner/53540341707/⁠

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Litter and picking it up. People are not disposable. Money is the fungible 1D layer/wavelength. There are plural values.

Can we learn to work together? Part of growing up and hearing the

Language⁠

Can we work, towards agreeing/testing/checking/translating, some basic ideas?

Organizations

Pro’s/Con’s and limitations of 501c3 (as AII works towards a point of sustainability).

A community of assimilation with M4W and routings (e.g. someone interested in fish sustainability and not the absolute truth or math angle).

AK, 24, WW. A Hat to put on, cognitive framework (and learning to use it). It is a playground that does not get old too fast.

Three Minds:

Conscious-Unconscious & 3rd.

Eight Mental States:

Divisions of everything. Necessary dialectics/debates/tensions.

There are symmetries/mappings with AK and JN in the framework. Similar and different vocabularies.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKetDJof8pk⁠

Biology as Information Dynamics - John Baez (4-20-2017)

Different terms and things pop up

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https://github.com/activeInferenceInstitute/ActiveInferenceJournal/⁠

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https://zenodo.org/records/10447643⁠

Transcript of Chris Fields, "Physics as Information Processing" course in 2023

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https://www.math4wisdom.com/wiki/Exposition/20231126BottPeriodicity⁠

— can augment this, it is time-consuming though.

For

Coda⁠

Using different import/exports

Structuralism & Consciousness — possible paper connecting back to the Ants.

What does the 24 system say about/with the ants? This is a multi-way street.

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Synergetics⁠

and Bucky Fuller —

Could we play/run with this? Looking and iterating.

Cognitive frameworks & their development/evolution.

In years, development of the Minute Particulars.

Cheatsheets:

Chemistry, Biochemistry, and other topics. Ants. Putin.

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