Collective Research

First Debate

Gaps in the theory / missing links

Sources/citations

Minecraft recreation of Richat-Atlantis

Opera: Atlas Chained

Documentary brainstorm

Atlantis Together Documentary Critiques

Structure of Documentary

Explore

Sea peoples story mutation

Order of transmission of the story

Plato's dialogue context

Solon in Sais and his unfinished poem

Egyptian historiography & propaganda

Phoenician elements of the Atlantis story

Berbers

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PLATO: (113b) My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original manuscript, which is still in my possession, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child. Therefore if you hear names such as are used in this country, you must not be surprised, for I have told how they came to be introduced.

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https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-labyrinth-engl.htm⁠

plato could not have known existence of ancient greek scripts, so likely that came from egypt through solon

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https://rupkatha.com/V10/n3/v10n301.pdf⁠

proclus 800 jaar later real history

philosophy of identity atlanteans = x (sea peoples? phoenicians?)

Tekstbron gerecycled egyptische gepolijste geschiedenis, solon epos, plato verhaal

Grecocentrisch, literaire elementen

Beargumenteer waarom tekst selectief sommige dingen wel letterlijk en andere dingen aangepast? BRONKRITIEK

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377599122_THE_WAY_TO_THE_ATLANTIANS_HERODOTUS_NEW_INTERPRETATION⁠

Historische fictie lossere details omwille narratief

unlikely all details atlantis verzonnen

phone game transmittikn caused many red herrings, but many atlantis proposals still some kernel of truth

Analyse accounts writing style egypt age, rounded and exaggerated numbers

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https://atlantipedia.ie/samples/nesselrath-heinz-gunther-n/⁠

talk about flaws in academic culture that prevented them from discovering Atlantis

academy vs pseudoscience grey area with good arguments by amateurs and bad ones by professionals, gatekeeping, patronising, sunk cost etc

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THORWALD FRANKE HISTORICAL CRITICAL METHOD

Not literal interpretation of Atlantis because people had many misconceptions about reality, even other serious texts, but still not “invented”, but distorted picture of real atlantis

Cannot change all details of the story, but also not change none. Interpret details.

EMBELLISHMENT ALONG THE WAY

Lastly, it is important to mention that although, as we will see soon, the vast majority of descriptors of Atlantis given by Plato impressively line up nearly perfectly with the Richat structure, the transmission of the tale through twelve millenia would have created plenty of opportunity for details to be lost to oblivion or in translation. Some descriptions could have been magnified for narrative impact, or unintentionally altered due to anachronistic paraphrasing of the story, similar to the deformed modern age pop-culture representation of Atlantis. Mary Settegast similarly suggests: ‘If outright invention on Plato’s part seems unlikely, exaggeration somewhere along the way does not (Settegast, 1987, p.20).’ Plato already foresaw this challenge, and therefore he wrote a warning given by Critias, in which he begs for more indulgence than had been granted to Timaeus in his metaphysical tale. He claims that he is more prone to make mistakes or get details wrong, explaining how descriptions of physical, historical events are scrutinised to a way higher degree than stories about the gods, because these are always described in very broad and imprecise terms, since we are unfamiliar with their divine realm (Critias 107a-e).

Plato also prays, through the mouth of Critias, that the true facts contained within the story, despite these challenges, might still be able to be passed on to the future:

And I make my prayer to that God who has recently been created by our speech (although in reality created of old), that he will grant to us the conservation of all our sayings that have been rightly said, (106b) and, if unwittingly we have spoken aught discordantly, that he will impose the fitting penalty. And the correct penalty is to bring into tune him that is out of tune. In order, then, that for the future we may declare the story of the birth of the gods aright, we pray that he will grant to us that medicine which of all medicines is the most perfect and most good, even knowledge. (Critias 106a-b)

As we have seen, Plato’s wish for the conservation of all true sayings has been granted, since his texts have survived for 23 centuries since his death. The fulfilment of the part of the prayer which calls for the rectification of any falsehoods, I will now gladly take upon myself, as I will set out to separate the wheat from the chaff, and demonstrate the historical accuracy of Plato’s description of Atlantis.

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