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on October 14th, 2021

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1
How can we balance the awareness of a nation’s most problematic/dark parts and its most inspiring/bright parts?
2
2
To what degree is it necessary to have awareness of the dark parts? Some nations are really used to this.
3
3
It might be necessary to some degree but perhaps it’s unbalanced
4
4
Some nations might have done this too much
5
5
Other nations seem to have the opposite problem. There’s valuable knowledge in how nations like Germany have tampered down fliratation with facism.
6
6
Question around what does redemption look like?
The left aren’t satisfied that this has been looked into enough.
7
7
The right say we’ve looked into this enough already!
8
8
You can hold the tension between two opinions until it comes to a point of ressolution (Parker Palmer)
9
9
There can be a fascist resolution or democratic resolution where it breaks open to a deeper level.
10
10
This is reminiscent of interview with Martina Handler about concentration camp. There where two sets of people - we talk too much about this / we dont talk enough.
11
11
It broke open to new level where people felt safe enough to say more
12
12
There was a subtext of judgement about what people did in the war
13
13
It was a space free from judgement that enabled people to open up
14
14
They wanted to create a Human Rights museum. When they created all the dcumentation was lost about how it happened - the whole process. The memory was lost of how it got there.
15
15
How we frame the conversation can make a difference in where we get to in countries where there is polarisation
16
16
One provocative participant was enabled to talk about daughter and lack of work and people could see him more as a human rather than immigrant and then this was compared to how Jews were treated. This opened up a sense of connection.This participant had planned to provoke and leave but didnt due to the opening/shift.
17
17
Ongoing dialogue is needed (not just once) The process is the thing!
18
18
When the past is addressed peace and reconciliation can be found.
19
19
Aboriginal person commented on Germany very positively. “They learned their lesson” from problematic history. In their land they felt settlers hadn’t learned their lesson.
20
20
It can be surprising (in Germany to some it feels like carrying a burden) but The process of reflecting on past has an effect - it is perceived in the world.
21
21
The most valuable is the learning more than things like engineering etc.
22
22
People admire how Germany has handled it
23
23
Create spaces without judgement for conversations to happen
24
24
People in the US get shut down
25
25
Celebrating might be form of covering up
26
26
What is the purpose of bringing out the light?
27
27
What is the purpose (of reflecting on the dark part)
28
28
Fetishizing blame and punishment (?)
29
29
Naming and recognizing some of the resistance
30
30
Swedish actor won award (Oscar) - not bragging is cultural norm - so he felt uncomfortable
31
31
Celebrating while also not ‘covering up’ = balance
32
32
Is there a cultural norm for not bragging in Germany
33
33
Let Germany see how world sees it (?). Thank them for what they have done.
34
34
Reflecting on injustice not enough - forgiving is necessary
35
35
(Forgiving - you and I are OK - we are free of guilt)
36
36
How can forgiving work on a public level? - How would a process of forgiveness work out on a public level.
37
37
Public storytelling about ourselves
38
38
Rituals in which we celebrate ourselves as a nation
39
39
Celebrate that we have learned from our ‘dark parts’
40
40
There is still a lot of guilt in our collective - it diminishes our energy
41
41
Many world-known composers speak German
42
42
Germans would never say ‘Make Germany great again’
43
43
How to celebrate our culture in festivals and the like
44
44
How can forgiving work on a public level? - How would a process of forgiveness work out on a public level.
45
45
More literature, storytelling, speeches, light, sound, ... on the National Holiday - emphasizing our unity and greatness.
46
46
In the US we - focussing on guilt and shame is counterproductive
47
47
Be aware of our demons - and what we have learned from it.
48
48
Talk not only about the bad the white people did - but also the good. Not make white people just feel bad.
49
49
Talk about guilt on the individual and collective level.
50
50
Have ‘social justice warriors’ become more informed about learning and psychology (take courses)
51
51
Being ‘right’ does not make you effective.
52
52
Humans in psychologically save groups are more (creative?); also shift in mindset - different opinions brought together
53
53
Attitude change happens in small groups
54
54
We need non-judgemental space - fully embrace light and dark - ‘digesting’ it
55
55
A nation has many different groups of people
56
56
White people take pride in sports/football team
57
57
Don’t take away pride from (white) people
58
58
Talk about: What does nationalism mean?
59
59
Olympics was a good example
60
60
In the UK a lot of unacknowledged harm done by colonialism
61
61
Fully acknowledge the good and the bad - to ‘digest’ it
62
62
The good and the bad are intertwined - Industrialization
63
63
Taboo - not allowed to suffer
64
64
Acknoweledge everyone that acknowledge the suffering of all parts of society. E.g Jews AND displaced Germans (to Russia etc - couldnt grieve publicly, suffering) 3.5 million young soldiers put into camps on left of Rhine - conditions under US surveillance. no builidngs tents many died after war. - not known )
65
65
Acknowledge that all lives matter - this would be accepted much more if we acknowledge pain of other groups.
66
66
Needs to celebrate the best and mourn the suffering of all groups
67
67
People has lost their jobs in Us because people said all lives matter - seen as racist trope. Cultural Context
68
68
All lives matter has been captured by right wing
69
69
People trying to figure this out get caught in the crossfire it’s got so polarised.
70
70
Yes Black lives Matter and sounded like all lives matter. And they got caught up and accused of racism.
71
71
There are battling narratives and we get frozen in the trtauma. People in difference places in the spectrum
72
72
Holding the tension to see where they are on the spectrum
73
73
Dynamic Facilitation could be good to help seed anew middle discourse to honour the whole spectrum (like Voralgberg) To seed anew narrative
74
74
Some could be resolved whilst other still in trauma, some more willing to talk and others cant. Soem Africa Am cant talk
75
75
Model A parallel process, structure for the whole society to aspire to - Havel
76
76
Pain and trauma is question of belonging - we’ve never had multi cultural democracy.
77
77
Inspitre to do things that havent be done before
78
78
Of coures all lives matter and histroically black lives havent matterd why we say BLM
79
79
Jews lives didnt matter in WW2 and some white german lives didnt matter. They had mattered and stopped mattering. They are not the same.
80
80
Suffering is equal and the story is not the same. Making them the same is where you get resistance.
81
81
Different stories of sufering are storyies within a bigger culture called
82
82
Empire culture creates different stories of suffering and its all suffering
83
83
Appreciation of forgiveness - understanding suffering of perpertrators is part of undertanding how to stop this. Their voice in designing the solution is also important
84
84
Help design the ceremenoy ritual for day of celebration for German culture - a whole week.
85
85
No person or country defined by worst thing they did
86
86
We know from research on prisons - a certain amount of incarceration can help think different but after leads to backlash and leads to deeper anger and likelihood to miss opportunity to transform
87
87
competition of suffering may be part of the competitive personality of USA,
Also not useful to say all suffering is the same so let’s stop , — this is cognitive rather than touching the heart
88
88
Battling narratives, how to steer awareness -
89
89
Whataboutism — listening ot respond not listening to understand
The effect is polarizing,not contributing to connection.
Talking in headlines leads to separation
90
90
Talk both about the suffering and talk on a different, deeper level where we meet not on “what has been done to us” but on the level of needs.
Or go up a level and instead of talking about the past, talk about something new, celebrate a new togetherness, what can be created as new.
overcoming so the way of talking about this in the past is no longer necessary because we have a new way.
91
91
Being too identified w/ one’s own suffering, celebrating the suffering can create more separation too.
Can become part of your personality/ identity. It’s a dead end.
92
92
Focus on how great that we survived the suffering. Indigenous cultures sometimes don’t seem to notice the resources they have.
93
93
People are getting stuck in their suffering in Germany, especially Easterners. A small percentage are still in bitterness about the change that happened in 1989.
94
94
Creating rituals that help poeple mourn their suffering and loss and accept their loss can help people move on.
95
95
Only part of the people who lived in East Germany survived the change from 1989, some suffered from that change.
Rituals were absent for them.
96
96
in this large scale ritual and conversation, everyone needs to feel acknowledged.
The design of this intervention could be prepared by a small group that represents the whole. This group prepares the field. Then wording, message can be found that improves, #alllivesmatter
97
97
Yes, a small group can affect the whole in subtle ways. Vaccines and Homeopathics, example -
And, also important to have explicit external connections between the micro and macro. For example - Adam Kahane visioning exercise w/ people from 8 of the of the different political parties. Important to create real tangible linkages from the micro to macro.
98
98
Everyone is struggling to feel heard — competition. Comes ffrom tension
99
99
Whatever large scale intervention we design will be more acceptable if the small group representing the whole has prepared it.
100
100
Research how Working w/ small group that represents the whole to do design this ritual. Can get into the “morphic field’ idea. To what extent does working a microcosm affect the macro?
101
101
102
102
design a ritual based on story - Tich Nat Hahn retreat - more BIPOC folks than usual. POwerful longing to make the diversity more visible. Image of ritual came to mind: What if -
Bell rings - All those who identify as ___, walk mindfully, silently up to be seen and acknowledged, celebrated.
103
103
So important that every sector, subgroup be given time, space and visibility AS something that enriches the whole.
104
104
Hold more circles for deep dialogue
105
105
Anything
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🖨 Problem Statements and Solutions
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Problem Statements
Solutions
1
How can we balance the awareness of a nation’s most problematic/dark parts and its most inspiring/bright parts?
44
How can forgiving work on a public level? - How would a process of forgiveness work out on a public level.
8
You can hold the tension between two opinions until it comes to a point of ressolution (Parker Palmer)
15
How we frame the conversation can make a difference in where we get to in countries where there is polarisation
17
Ongoing dialogue is needed (not just once) The process is the thing!
18
When the past is addressed peace and reconciliation can be found.
23
Create spaces without judgement for conversations to happen
26
What is the purpose of bringing out the light?
27
What is the purpose (of reflecting on the dark part)
29
Naming and recognizing some of the resistance
31
Celebrating while also not ‘covering up’ = balance
33
Let Germany see how world sees it (?). Thank them for what they have done.
35
(Forgiving - you and I are OK - we are free of guilt)
36
How can forgiving work on a public level? - How would a process of forgiveness work out on a public level.
37
Public storytelling about ourselves
38
Rituals in which we celebrate ourselves as a nation
39
Celebrate that we have learned from our ‘dark parts’
43
How to celebrate our culture in festivals and the like
45
More literature, storytelling, speeches, light, sound, ... on the National Holiday - emphasizing our unity and greatness.
47
Be aware of our demons - and what we have learned from it.
48
Talk not only about the bad the white people did - but also the good. Not make white people just feel bad.
49
Talk about guilt on the individual and collective level.
50
Have ‘social justice warriors’ become more informed about learning and psychology (take courses)
52
Humans in psychologically save groups are more (creative?); also shift in mindset - different opinions brought together
53
Attitude change happens in small groups
54
We need non-judgemental space - fully embrace light and dark - ‘digesting’ it
57
Don’t take away pride from (white) people
58
Talk about: What does nationalism mean?
61
Fully acknowledge the good and the bad - to ‘digest’ it
64
Acknoweledge everyone that acknowledge the suffering of all parts of society. E.g Jews AND displaced Germans (to Russia etc - couldnt grieve publicly, suffering) 3.5 million young soldiers put into camps on left of Rhine - conditions under US surveillance. no builidngs tents many died after war. - not known )
65
Acknowledge that all lives matter - this would be accepted much more if we acknowledge pain of other groups.
66
Needs to celebrate the best and mourn the suffering of all groups
72
Holding the tension to see where they are on the spectrum
73
Dynamic Facilitation could be good to help seed anew middle discourse to honour the whole spectrum (like Voralgberg) To seed anew narrative
75
Model A parallel process, structure for the whole society to aspire to - Havel
77
Inspitre to do things that havent be done before
83
Appreciation of forgiveness - understanding suffering of perpertrators is part of undertanding how to stop this. Their voice in designing the solution is also important
84
Help design the ceremenoy ritual for day of celebration for German culture - a whole week.
90
Talk both about the suffering and talk on a different, deeper level where we meet not on “what has been done to us” but on the level of needs.
Or go up a level and instead of talking about the past, talk about something new, celebrate a new togetherness, what can be created as new.
overcoming so the way of talking about this in the past is no longer necessary because we have a new way.
92
Focus on how great that we survived the suffering. Indigenous cultures sometimes don’t seem to notice the resources they have.
94
Creating rituals that help poeple mourn their suffering and loss and accept their loss can help people move on.
96
in this large scale ritual and conversation, everyone needs to feel acknowledged.
The design of this intervention could be prepared by a small group that represents the whole. This group prepares the field. Then wording, message can be found that improves, #alllivesmatter
99
Whatever large scale intervention we design will be more acceptable if the small group representing the whole has prepared it.
100
Research how Working w/ small group that represents the whole to do design this ritual. Can get into the “morphic field’ idea. To what extent does working a microcosm affect the macro?
101
102
design a ritual based on story - Tich Nat Hahn retreat - more BIPOC folks than usual. POwerful longing to make the diversity more visible. Image of ritual came to mind: What if -
Bell rings - All those who identify as ___, walk mindfully, silently up to be seen and acknowledged, celebrated.
103
So important that every sector, subgroup be given time, space and visibility AS something that enriches the whole.
104
Hold more circles for deep dialogue
105
Anything
🖨 Concerns and Data
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Data
Concerns
3
It might be necessary to some degree but perhaps it’s unbalanced
4
Some nations might have done this too much
5
Other nations seem to have the opposite problem. There’s valuable knowledge in how nations like Germany have tampered down fliratation with facism.
6
Question around what does redemption look like?
The left aren’t satisfied that this has been looked into enough.
7
The right say we’ve looked into this enough already!
9
There can be a fascist resolution or democratic resolution where it breaks open to a deeper level.
10
This is reminiscent of interview with Martina Handler about concentration camp. There where two sets of people - we talk too much about this / we dont talk enough.
11
It broke open to new level where people felt safe enough to say more
12
There was a subtext of judgement about what people did in the war
13
It was a space free from judgement that enabled people to open up
14
They wanted to create a Human Rights museum. When they created all the dcumentation was lost about how it happened - the whole process. The memory was lost of how it got there.
16
One provocative participant was enabled to talk about daughter and lack of work and people could see him more as a human rather than immigrant and then this was compared to how Jews were treated. This opened up a sense of connection.This participant had planned to provoke and leave but didnt due to the opening/shift.
19
Aboriginal person commented on Germany very positively. “They learned their lesson” from problematic history. In their land they felt settlers hadn’t learned their lesson.
20
It can be surprising (in Germany to some it feels like carrying a burden) but The process of reflecting on past has an effect - it is perceived in the world.
21
The most valuable is the learning more than things like engineering etc.
22
People admire how Germany has handled it
28
Fetishizing blame and punishment (?)
30
Swedish actor won award (Oscar) - not bragging is cultural norm - so he felt uncomfortable
34
Reflecting on injustice not enough - forgiving is necessary
41
Many world-known composers speak German
42
Germans would never say ‘Make Germany great again’
55
A nation has many different groups of people
56
White people take pride in sports/football team
59
Olympics was a good example
62
The good and the bad are intertwined - Industrialization
63
Taboo - not allowed to suffer
67
People has lost their jobs in Us because people said all lives matter - seen as racist trope. Cultural Context
68
All lives matter has been captured by right wing
69
People trying to figure this out get caught in the crossfire it’s got so polarised.
70
Yes Black lives Matter and sounded like all lives matter. And they got caught up and accused of racism.
71
There are battling narratives and we get frozen in the trtauma. People in difference places in the spectrum
74
Some could be resolved whilst other still in trauma, some more willing to talk and others cant. Soem Africa Am cant talk
76
Pain and trauma is question of belonging - we’ve never had multi cultural democracy.
79
Jews lives didnt matter in WW2 and some white german lives didnt matter. They had mattered and stopped mattering. They are not the same.
80
Suffering is equal and the story is not the same. Making them the same is where you get resistance.
81
Different stories of sufering are storyies within a bigger culture called
82
Empire culture creates different stories of suffering and its all suffering
85
No person or country defined by worst thing they did
86
We know from research on prisons - a certain amount of incarceration can help think different but after leads to backlash and leads to deeper anger and likelihood to miss opportunity to transform
87
competition of suffering may be part of the competitive personality of USA,
Also not useful to say all suffering is the same so let’s stop , — this is cognitive rather than touching the heart
89
Whataboutism — listening ot respond not listening to understand
The effect is polarizing,not contributing to connection.
Talking in headlines leads to separation
95
Only part of the people who lived in East Germany survived the change from 1989, some suffered from that change.
Rituals were absent for them.
98
Everyone is struggling to feel heard — competition. Comes ffrom tension
2
To what degree is it necessary to have awareness of the dark parts? Some nations are really used to this.
24
People in the US get shut down
25
Celebrating might be form of covering up
32
Is there a cultural norm for not bragging in Germany
40
There is still a lot of guilt in our collective - it diminishes our energy
46
In the US we - focussing on guilt and shame is counterproductive
51
Being ‘right’ does not make you effective.
60
In the UK a lot of unacknowledged harm done by colonialism
78
Of coures all lives matter and histroically black lives havent matterd why we say BLM
88
Battling narratives, how to steer awareness -
91
Being too identified w/ one’s own suffering, celebrating the suffering can create more separation too.
Can become part of your personality/ identity. It’s a dead end.
93
People are getting stuck in their suffering in Germany, especially Easterners. A small percentage are still in bitterness about the change that happened in 1989.
97
Yes, a small group can affect the whole in subtle ways. Vaccines and Homeopathics, example -
And, also important to have explicit external connections between the micro and macro. For example - Adam Kahane visioning exercise w/ people from 8 of the of the different political parties. Important to create real tangible linkages from the micro to macro.
🖨 Bookmark: Turning Points
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Contribution
Type
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6
Question around what does redemption look like?
The left aren’t satisfied that this has been looked into enough.
Data
2
40
There is still a lot of guilt in our collective - it diminishes our energy
Concerns
3
92
Focus on how great that we survived the suffering. Indigenous cultures sometimes don’t seem to notice the resources they have.
Solutions
4
102
design a ritual based on story - Tich Nat Hahn retreat - more BIPOC folks than usual. POwerful longing to make the diversity more visible. Image of ritual came to mind: What if -
Bell rings - All those who identify as ___, walk mindfully, silently up to be seen and acknowledged, celebrated.
Solutions
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🖨 Bookmark: Three Statements
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Statements
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We looked at the issue from the point of view of different nationalities.
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3
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🖨 Harvesting: Convergences
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Convergence
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Convergence 1
87
competition of suffering may be part of the competitive personality of USA,
Also not useful to say all suffering is the same so let’s stop , — this is cognitive rather than touching the heart
edited statement
89
89
Whataboutism — listening ot respond not listening to understand
The effect is polarizing,not contributing to connection.
Talking in headlines leads to separation
Convergence 2
96
in this large scale ritual and conversation, everyone needs to feel acknowledged.
The design of this intervention could be prepared by a small group that represents the whole. This group prepares the field. Then wording, message can be found that improves, #alllivesmatter
Careful of jumping to ritual too soon before tensions have been resolved.
97, 99, 100
Convergence 5
103
So important that every sector, subgroup be given time, space and visibility AS something that enriches the whole.

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🖨 Final Remarks
This was a great session. Thank you!
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